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Child labour 6 by GMBAkash Child labour 6 by GMBAkash
Child labour is not a new issue in Bangladesh.as children remain here one of the most vulnerable groups living under threats of hunger, illiteracy, displacement,exploitation,trafficking,physical and mental abuse. Although the issue of child labor has always been discussed, there is hardly any remarkable progress even in terms of mitigation

17.5 percent of total children of the 5-15 age group are engaged in economic activities. many of this children are engage in various hazardous occupations in manufacturing factories. factory owners prefer to employ children as they could pay them less and also able to keep their factories free from trade unionism. a child labour gets taka 400 to 700 ( 1 USD = 70 taka) per month, while an adult worker earns up to taka 5000 per month.

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Given 2010-10-03
Suggester says," While Bangladesh has seen a slowly improving life style, but child labour is still prominent in parts of this small country. While kids at his age are going to school or having a great supporting time in many western countries, there are still kids out there who are doing various hazardous work with underpayment to live on and support their family with what little they can make! Do check out this deviant's thought provoking gallery!"
Child labour 6 by ~GMBAkash

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( Suggested by phoenixleo and Featured by Timothy-Sim )
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yearuzzaman Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
war for the future

featured here
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jinrobi Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
this screams "Wheelbarrow"...
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Osse Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2010
In first world nation childs labor is a crime, in a third world nation its a need, I live in a third world nation, fortunately Ive nerver worked as a kid, but there is a lot of kids working out there, some of them are exploitation, some are not, but the truth is that around 60% of our adult population is exploitated(damn Ive never used this verb on english before :hmm: ), "child work" is a western construction, so what its happening on this picture is child work only for you.....for that boy, for his parents and for his entire society that is just a way to life, a way to have his nourishment, its normal.................its just life, maybe its not fair for you, maybe they like it, and when you get frustrated when the damn web page does not load, or when you do not have money for a nintendo game, ther are happy with just a kite..............
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Photoloaded Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
congrats on the DD!
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Saineem Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010   Digital Artist
I was amazed to see your photograph on the daily deviation page. This photo and your gallery really shows the sad facts of life in poverty to the rest of the world. Thank you.

একজন বাংলাদেশী হিসেবে আমার অনেক গর্ব বোধ হচ্ছে। আশা করছি আরো অনেকে এ ধরনের ঘটনার ব্যাপারে জানতে পারবে আপনার ছবি দেখে।
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
Thik bolechen.
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CrimsonNolita Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
This photo is brilliant and captures two things for me, one is the tragedy of child labor and the other is the strength and determination in this child, he shows no signs of faltering or giving up, he's doing what he must to help his family, as sad and powerful as it may be.
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GTT-ART Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
In many cases this is very true, kids are basically slaves and some even might be, like you just mentioned, human trafficking.
But what are the options for these kids, what can they do if they can't work?
Are there schools they can go to? If that’s the case, than why are they not at school instead of doing this hard work better suited for adults.
Or what can people like you, me and every body else do to prevent this kind of exploitation?
If the government in these countries won't even bother to check out all the working places or have other people to do that for them or at all bother to visit and get to talk freely to the workers, especially the kids and all the younger people and see if they are treated unjust or endangered in any way. Than there is little hope to improve these kids situation, you either need to be a extreme good talker or someone will have to give someone else a lot of fucking money. (MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS)
If these kids and young people in this kind of situations get trough the day and get to keep themselves and their family free of hunger even though it's not always enough, than that’s what they have to do. Many of these countries which accepts child labor does it because they are pore or corrupt and both or just plain oblivious to anything else going on in this world, and they don’t give a shit what we have to say or do about it, it is anyone for themselves.
It is like that because things haven’t changed for the better or at all for maybe hundreds of years, the problem will also grow with the population.
The kids in this photo, looks strong and proud and I believe it is because they really are.
I feel more sorry for Mr. slim “the dude in the green shirt and the turban” than these kids.
He looks in far worse shape than they do, that dude is hungry!
Hell, I bet you if he could go nuts on a buffet he would continue to eat long after he already had thrown up for the 10th time.
Many of us “children of the earth and western cities” can’t in any way imagine how the everyday is to people whom this concerns, because we have what we need and so much more, there is a sea of possibility for some of us if we just want to, we can basically pick and choose.
If you think about it, it wasn’t really that long ago since this was the reality and the every day life all over Europe, America or any other places for that matter.
Both of my grandpa’s became fishermen and traveled all around Europe and other places and on different boats from the age of 12-16 years old. They would have been 72 and 85 now. And their parents started working even younger so and so.
Most of the people who lived on farms and on the inlands in that time and earlier, started working when they became able to. Looks like it’s almost the same story here, except these kids are working in the industry and for already wealthy people who are to greedy to feel any shame, that just goes on and show how corrupt the system can be.
I know that corruption is the main reason why most of the western counties don’t like to trade with their products “greedy bastards”. I’m from Norway, and trust me “or don’t”. We are known for thinking that we are better than everybody!!! I can tell who ever that reads this, that we are not even close to the perfect portrait politicians and other piss people would like us to be, we are just fooling ourselves in the glamour of our own false security.
I am just writing my own opinion on this matter and I stand by this alone, everybody has their own opinion and that is good, I guess….
There is SIN all over and this world wherever you look, and nothing will ever be perfect.
Perfection is just one grand illusion, which will only blind the fools who believe in it.
It does not matter if you are rich, regular or poor. The truth is that we always want more no matter what we own or possess or who we are or want to be.
Not everyone has the same rights. ”I know, that sucks balls” or the money for that matter to get the education like other people have the privileged to “different countries or states, different rules and a way of life”
It just seems like people these days are criticizing or saying no to child labor just because we see our selves as suddenly so “civilized” now. Or is it just the right and humane way to think now these days.
Can’t you just hear the other parents whispering to each other In this “scenario” when you go to pick up your kids after school, ”Hey there goes that dude who says he’s not against child labor in the 3rd world countries – “really” some might reply, and there you have it, you might even become a murderer after the rumors have been floating freely around for a while.
Suddenly you have become the villain and might even be keeping a couple of Indians sowing soccer balls in the basement.
That is not very likely but think about it this way, if work for a couple of bucks a months can help these people out and last them for a while, than It’s not the biggest crime, besides that their bosses pays them way to little and may even slow down their growth and kill them when their in their early 50-60s, well that’s heart attack. It’s not murder it is nature.
The effect is simple, they will have even less or nothing if they weren’t allowed to work, some parents would not even blink twice before selling off their son or daughter for enough to last for a while each would serve their own and different purposes for their new owners, where would this than end?

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I admire your good heart and spirit, just lead on the revolution and the bricks may fall where you lay them.
Because the world political point of view has not done enough if anything to change these children’s lives to the better if any by now.
Who are willing to see this continue for another 30 years before conditions magically will improve.
Only truly dedicated people have the power to make the changes needed, like your self and others like you, I would say.
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StarGazerM Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
This is very depressing. When you took this picture did you get to talk to any of the children? Did they want a better life?
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scarletcougar Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
Your website is very moving. Thanks for sharing a side few in other countries ever see or even know about.
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DIO086 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
intense shot
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blood-lust-demon Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
But you have to admit the way they can toss those bricks on top of there head to stack them is pretty impressive.
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msilvestre Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Professional General Artist
I am poor.
But seeing this makes me feel very rich despite my surroundings and medical help.

God bless those children.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
And in as much as those kids are living in those conditions, one has to ask, would an alternative be better? Without the jobs these kids can fulfill, they'd be on the streets, most likely engaging in some criminal activity or another. In South East asia, where drug use is rampaged through it's streets, the kids have two choices: Work for a living, or end up on the streets smoking opium and whoring yourself out.

I think from our "western" and conditioned mindset this can be viewed as attrocious and horrible, because we were lucky enough to grow up in a society which provided basic and comfortable necessities to most of it's children. School, food, shelter, water, sanitation, etc, all provide a place for children to grow up healthy. But child labor isn't something new, by the way, I mean most of our schools are built on the principle of Child Labor STILL! Why do you think kids all around the world get summer vacations? It isn't a vacation persay, originally it was intended so kids can go home to their families and farms and help with the farms during summer, as that was when harvests and major manpower are required.

It's all a matter of perspective, and how you wish to look at this. From our (western thought) point of view this is horrendous. From the kids point of view, the alternative is to start engaging in criminal behavior such as stealing, to survive.
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gerzel Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
And so it was said that "The negro is better off in slavery working for his white masters than left to his own devices..." Exploitation is still exploitation.

Why are they not getting equal pay for equal or arguably greater risk and work? The small benefit of being kept busy is far outweighed by the detrimental effects of exploitation, health problems, lack of education, lack of pay, as to make your argument laughable at first and repugnant as the light turns to a more serious tone.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
I'm sorry, what is it about the idea of ownership of human being you seem to not understand to make this baseless analogy here? Exploitation is a subjective term, care to explain it? Because at this moment i fuckin feel exploited by my own goddam city, and I live in Los Angeles. However, the exploitation my father or grandfather suffered in Soviet Union is unlike the exploitation I feel right now.

"Why are they not getting equal pay for equal or arguably greater risk and work?" Because what are you basing this "equal" pay on? If you are comparing it to the rest of those countries, a lot of times they are getting better than average pay, compared to their peers.

"The small benefit of being kept busy is far outweighed by the detrimental effects of exploitation, health problems, lack of education, lack of pay, as to make your argument laughable at first and repugnant as the light turns to a more serious tone." Hey, I know! Let's be educated, when there are no public education available. Hey, let's be healthy, when there aren't many public clinics or government funded medicaid system in place! THat's going to work! And Hey, they obviously aren't getting paid right?

Sorry for being so negative and sarcastic, but really? REALLY? You are going to make a comparison of a third world nation to a first world nation and say why aren't those kids in third world nations being treated like the kids in first world ones?
REALLY!?

I refuse to believe you are that naive, so I am going to rather believe you just failed to put it into perspective.
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DavidPSmith Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010   Interface Designer
Q: "what are you basing this 'equal' pay on?"

A: "a child labour gets taka 400 to 700 ( 1 USD = 70 taka) per month, while an adult worker earns up to taka 5000 per month."

I really don't understand how you missed that.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
No I got that. However, that is still not an explanation, are they saying that an adult earns 10 times more in the same field, in the same job? Or are they saying adults can earn 5000 per month? Furthermore, if that IS the case, then I wouldn't be that against increasing the rate of child labor wages, not at all against it, however, I know for a fact that even if a child was earning the same amount most people would still bitch.
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DavidPSmith Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010   Interface Designer
"... if a child was earning the same amount most people would still bitch."

TRUE.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
so then it is irrelevant to compare how much a child would earn next to an adult, that isn't what is making everyone angry, it is the fact that the child is working instead of going to school, or after school programs, or playing with friends.
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DavidPSmith Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010   Interface Designer
... or watching MSNBC, or Disney...

... or narcing on their parents for leaving a freaking light on two seconds too long.

I hear ya'. What we now call child labor was once called responsibility. But that was way back when any 14- year-old was 10x more intelligent than any self-proclaimed genius of today.
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blood-lust-demon Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm paraphrasing here but is injustice in one place not injustice in all places?
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
Depends on what you consider the injustice to be.
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gerzel Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
Don't want ownership? The same argument was used post slavery too.

Yes. I will make the comparison as we, the US, used to treat our children the same way. Brittan did it too, so did all of today's First world nations during the industrial revolution when they were the wealthiest most powerful nations. We made laws against it to stop child labor then to stop exploitation.

It is still wrong. It is still exploitation with no attempt being made to give equal pay or give the children a chance. They are not better off for it; they are simply being kept alive and surviving to do the work, locked in with chains nearly as strong in many ways as those of slavery even if they are not physical.

At the time when those laws were made the same arguments were used. The children would run wild in the streets and amount to nothing but greater crime, drinking and drug use. It is an old argument a tired argument and a wrong argument.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
"Don't want ownership? The same argument was used post slavery too."
:iconwutplz: what are you talking about?

"We made laws against it to stop child labor then to stop exploitation." Yes and that's great, but those laws do not extend outside our own jurisdiction, so it is IRRELEVANT, to the topic at hand.

"It is still wrong. It is still exploitation with no attempt being made to give equal pay or give the children a chance." That's your opinion. And you STILL haven't told me, equal pay to WHAT? What are you EQUALIZING it to?

"They are not better off for it; they are simply being kept alive and surviving to do the work, locked in with chains nearly as strong in many ways as those of slavery even if they are not physical." :iconevidenceplz:

"It is an old argument a tired argument and a wrong argument." Again, :iconevidenceplz: where is an old argument? When was this argument made before? Please provide me some evidence because so far it seems you are talking out of your ass.
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gerzel Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
[link]

If you must have a source of 'evidence' and cannot use basic research.

Child labor is exploitation in most cases. No they are not better off in the vast majority of cases, and it isn't just a case of looking at things from a Western perspective.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
Uhm, an organization dedicated to combating Child Labor (which by the way i am not a fan of), isn't going to be very fair in what they report on this problem. Do I deny that abuse happens? No. Do I deny that exploitation does happen? No. But does this affect the majority? I doubt it.
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gerzel Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
Jim crow and other laws used to keep black citizens working in souther fields for low pay were often supported with the argument that they were better off for working and that if left on their own they would turn to crime. This is a fairly basic fact of history. You can confirm it on your own if you don't believe me and spare us the stupid icons.

As to the industrial revolution and the West's abolishment of child labor the same argument that children would turn to crime without work was used to try and fight against the abolishment of child labor then. Again you can look it up for yourself if you are ignorant of that part of history, and yes if you don't know that you are indeed ignorant of Western history through the 19th and 20th century.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
I don't deny that Jim Crow used laws to keep black citizens working in southern fields for low pay. However, what does that have to do with the conversation at hand?

"would turn to crime without work was used to try and fight against the abolishment of child labor then." Yes, except we had the infrastructure and the social construct of public education as an alternative. I ask you, do those kids have that alternative? Do those countries have an infrastructure that can sustain a universal education system? Just because an argument is made in one country and it fails, doesn't mean the same argument would fail in another country.

Actually I am not ignorant of Western History at all, you are just bringing up comparisons that are irrelevant, and if they are relevant, I don't see how.
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FOOLY-COOLY Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Student
Well yes, perhaps it's better than they work than get involved with drugs. And indeed, our school system used to be built around allowing child labor. Child labor in this case is better than getting involved with crime. But I think the bigger picture is that there are some more big-picture questions here-- why is the drug trade so pervasive, and should it be that way for these people? Why is it that there are no better labor laws that prevent both adults and children from getting the pay they deserve? Isn't work for barely any wage, without another choice of lifestyle, pretty much slavery? Can this be acceptable from a Western perspective?

"It isn't a vacation persay, originally it was intended so kids can go home to their families and farms and help with the farms during summer, as that was when harvests and major manpower are required."

This was in our past. In the times children would work the farms and sometimes the coal mines, as well, just to get food on the table. It's not a glorious part of our past, it's one of the bad parts.

I think it's a bit too complacent of an attitude to pass off child labor as the better possible option for these people. The US imports so many goods around the world made by child labor, worked to the bone for so little pay. We let children be exploited, sometimes for our own benefit. Saying, 'Well, this sweater from Thailand is really nice and I really want it' is one thing-- we all have sweatshop-made clothing and it's pretty inescapable. But saying, 'maybe child labor isn't so bad after all' is not understandable, it's rationalizing exploitation.

I'm sure the child workers of bangladesh wouldn't be saying, "It's all about perspective." They want to have a better standard of living, their country deserves a better standard of living. They don't want to be working for a poverty wage, and the fact that this is one of their only choices aside from getting involved with the drug trade doesn't rationalize it, it makes it even worse.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
I shall answer your questions:

"why is the drug trade so pervasive, and should it be that way for these people?" Lack of internal infrastructure to maintain a high level of law-institution. Mix that with a heavily corrupt government structure, and you have your answer. Should it be this way for these people? It shouldn't be this way for ANY people.

"Why is it that there are no better labor laws that prevent both adults and children from getting the pay they deserve?" Because to have labor laws you first have to have an economy that is viable and at least somewhat self-sustaining. Otherwise you are leaving your entire country to collapse under it's own over-burdened population. Furthermore, value of a dollar is diffirent there than it is here. A Dollar here is worthless, a dollar there is a hell of a lot more worthy. You scoff at children making a few dollars a week. However, no one ever asks how expensive it is to live there in the first place.

"Isn't work for barely any wage, without another choice of lifestyle, pretty much slavery?" No. Slavery is defined by work without pay and complete ownership of the person. In this case, and in these cases, they are being paid for their work, and they are not "owned" persay, since they can leave those jobs any time they want to.

"Can this be acceptable from a Western perspective?" Hell no. Westerners are extremely naive bunch of people. They like to pretend that they are worldly and that they are culturally sensitive bunch of people, however, most of them have no real understanding of the lives of people living outside their own little confines. It's why they think that throwing a bunch of money towards a country is going to instantly fix it, where in reality all it does is just cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands, ala Africa, or mismanaged and misused funds, ala, Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan etc etc.

"This was in our past. In the times children would work the farms and sometimes the coal mines, as well, just to get food on the table. It's not a glorious part of our past, it's one of the bad parts." Who the hell are you to dictate what is and isn't good. 200 years from now when we are living in a much better Utopia would you like it if they reflected on people like you today and called you all barbaric? Hell, even up to 50 years ago, it was pretty standard for children above the age of 7 or 8 to have at least some partime job, and it wasn't a social stigma it was a considered a rite of passage. And dog-gone-it, there would be tons of kids lining up wanting those jobs because it showed a hell of a lot of respect to their peers. That they were men! Now I am not American by birth. I was born in Soviet Russia, so my perspective may be a little skewed, but what's so bad about having a kid who wants to join the workforce early? Furthermore, if this is in our past, then they should do away with a 3 month summer vacation all together.

"I think it's a bit too complacent of an attitude to pass off child labor as the better possible option for these people. The US imports so many goods around the world made by child labor, worked to the bone for so little pay. We let children be exploited, sometimes for our own benefit. Saying, 'Well, this sweater from Thailand is really nice and I really want it' is one thing-- we all have sweatshop-made clothing and it's pretty inescapable. But saying, 'maybe child labor isn't so bad after all' is not understandable, it's rationalizing exploitation." And what do you base these things on? The value of a dollar in those third world nations is extremely different than the value of a dollar in America. It isn't complacent of me. I am not content with their situation and the few, limited options they have available, but what do you expect? Unless you decide you want to put that country's entire government and economical structure under the authority of your own for the "greater" good, I'd like to see you try to overcome corrupt beuracracies, politicians. And truthfuly, I have no problems whatsoever using military force to take over countries in the name of "greater good". But are you, are Americans, or the Western World, prepared to handle that? If how the western world treated Iraq and Afghanistan the last 8 years is an indication of an answer then it is clearly a definitive: HELL NO.
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nemesis158 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Great Shot. Something the rest of the world needs to see....
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HannahEngland Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
He must have been doing this for a while, considering the incredible balance that he has.

This is a thought-provoking photograph - good job, technically and spiritually. People in the West need to see this more, kids included. I've heard so many kids over here complaining about comparatively tiny problems that they let consume them, and they don't realize that those problems are nothing. Got a C on a test? At least you can go to school. Parents won't let you go out with your friends at night? At least you have parents who take care of you. I wish I had the ability to pull children like this out of the pictures and take care of them.
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Markotxe Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
horrible !
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DAPoliticalForum Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Professional General Artist
This photograph doesn't play around. It gets right to the point.
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streetkay07 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
People must see this.
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incognisance Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
The world really needs to be more aware of things like this, especially since they happen everyday to generation after generation of helpless children. Exploiting the poor is bad enough, but exploiting children is wrong and downright sinful. And to such a great extent for that matter.

Thank you for passing this message across to the world, it's so easy to forget the sufferings of others when we think we're doing okay for ourselves. But anyone of us could have been born in the place of one of these unfortunate souls. Let us at least say a small prayer for them; that they may find the love and respect they truly deserve, in a world that doesn't seem to care...:sadangel:
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Maquaii Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
There was this factory that made clothes that used child labour once, now when the western world saw this they were enraged. They decided to boycott this factory. And so the factory was forced to rid themselves with child labour. The people who had worked for this were glad and celebrated. They had done a good job and won!
But the problem isn't people who hire children, it's the poverty. And now since the children couldn't work at the factory no more they had to find other work in order to survive, like prostitution and mining.
If people want to fight child labour, fight the poverty not their means of getting food on their plates.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
Good points, however poverty is rid of when there is enough economic conditions available to sustain the population and produce a massive surplus of food/resources. Most of these countries experienced a population boom in the 20th century, not to mention massive social and economic upheavals (removal of the old colonial systems in Africa and Indian sub continent, for example). Pouring resources into those countries directly is going to be a waste, but providing more and more jobs in those countries increases the amount of money people have in that country. Slowly but surely living conditions would increase.

That's why I think we should be sending MORE factories over-seas to provide jobs that those various countries cannot provide.
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Maquaii Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
I'm well aware of that, but wouldn't you consider that means of fighting poverty as well?
Personally, i think that whenever countries hand over money to these countries, they should rather demand a "project" to fund. Instead of just giving it away. These countries will provide financial support for projects like building out the road network, or something like that. Which also will provide work. Just a thought though.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
And who's going to manage that beuracracy? Are we going to rely on those countries to manage that beuracracy? Look at how we treated Haiti; we literaly over-stepped Haitian government regulations and law for the purpose of a greater good. We super-ceded their responsibility and decided to engage in rescue operations under the authority of either the US or the UN, or whatever other country is involved...not Haitian government or authorities. Because in the end all the countries may talk shit, but when work has to be done, you aren't going to rely on already failed states and governmentes, ie, Haitian government, to manage and regulate the relief efforts, or project buildings.

Furthermore, "projects", are only short term solutions in the grand scheme of things. Providing jobs that last a few months can create a massive problem, that is: INFLATION. For example, let's take a random poor country and we say to them, we will pay you 5 billion dollars to build this massive dam. So we hire 90,000 workers and pay them a fairly decent wage to build this dam. During the construction, since money is increased, so does the increase of the cost of various goods and services, the rest of the country then has to compete with a growing inflation figures, due to the fact that there is a certain sector of their society getting a much higher wage, and living income. Now their circumstances are harder, since a loaf of bread used to cost, let's say 40 cents, now costs 50 cents. Now to someone like me, an American, that may be chicken scratch, but someone living in Niger that could be literally another 4-5 hours of labor. Multiply this on the scale of hundreds. ANd then thousands. And you see what happens. 4 years pass, and suddenly the Dam is complete. Those 90,000 workers are now laid off effectively, having to work on other "projects". How many of those 90,000 workers are going to be re-employed within the first 6 months? I doubt it would be even half of them. Now they have to face the reality of the inflated economy.


The best solution is a long term solution. The problem is, those solutions tend to be very unpopular as they tend to take years before any real development, may involve military force, or just outright useless gesture to politicians who are only in office o, 4 years.
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Maquaii Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
They are already handing over money expecting those countries can handle it. The projects should be dealt by the country in question, and finance with the aiding country.

The theory using money supply as a cause for inflation is in the short term as they say questionable. In the long run it's dependent on money supply growth, and in the short therm it's supply and production demands.
Personally i was thinking about something similar to the new deal, during 1933-1934 or something like that CWA handed out millions of temporary work. The new deal had a lot of other projects (or programs) as well that made it all come together.
Personally i just looked at it like this "More money means higher buyer potential, which means higher demands, which means more jobs"
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
And our expectations of those countries in my opinion is too high.

The New Deal also made the great depression last a hell of a lot longer, and in the "long run" the new deal's programs have become an insane burden on the American people today. And we have the infrastructure to deal with it. Do those countries?

As a matter of fact, that was one of the problems the New Deal faced, was that after the projects were finished, the men and women working on them had to move on to the next project, or suffer unemployment again...Relying on government sponsored "projects" to sustain you, isn't a reliable source. This is why such a program was fairly quickly abandoned.

Money doesn't create jobs. PEOPLE create Jobs. People need money to create the jobs. THrowing random money towards people who don't know how to create jobs, or how to increase and benefit their own community and society with their own labor is money thrown away. Money that is improperly used is going to tear them apart further.
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Maquaii Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
"The New Deal also made the great depression last a hell of a lot longer" an opinion trying to fly as a fact.

What exactly to mimic for the new deal i haven't mentioned. What they did was experiment after all, what didn't work was taken off the table.
When we talk about economics like this, it's only speculation on whats going to happen. So just saying it wont work, doesn't really mean much, because there is always two sides arguing on whether it will or not work. Only way to tell is by trying.
You said yourself people are not interested in creating "factories" in such countries. So hanging on to something that won't be done is pointless.

I suppose this burden is the social programs. The fact that it didn't work well in the US doesn't mean it won't elsewhere, which it already is.

I didn't say money created jobs, i said demand did.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
Actually it's not just my opinion, there is a huge, and growing number of scholars that are debating whether or not the New Deal helped the depression. If you'd like I will send you a note with a bunch of info on their arguments.

"Only way to tell is by trying." But it has been tried. Take for example the interview with the Kenyan economics expert James Shikwati:
" Mr. Shikwati, the G8 summit at Gleneagles is about to beef up the development aid for Africa...

Shikwati: ... for God's sake, please just stop.

SPIEGEL: Stop? The industrialized nations of the West want to eliminate hunger and poverty.

Shikwati: Such intentions have been damaging our continent for the past 40 years. If the industrial nations really want to help the Africans, they should finally terminate this awful aid. The countries that have collected the most development aid are also the ones that are in the worst shape. Despite the billions that have poured in to Africa, the continent remains poor.

SPIEGEL: Do you have an explanation for this paradox?

Shikwati: Huge bureaucracies are financed (with the aid money), corruption and complacency are promoted, Africans are taught to be beggars and not to be independent. In addition, development aid weakens the local markets everywhere and dampens the spirit of entrepreneurship that we so desperately need. As absurd as it may sound: Development aid is one of the reasons for Africa's problems. If the West were to cancel these payments, normal Africans wouldn't even notice. Only the functionaries would be hard hit. Which is why they maintain that the world would stop turning without this development aid. "

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Also look up Resource Curse: [link]

"You said yourself people are not interested in creating "factories" in such countries. So hanging on to something that won't be done is pointless." I don't deny something has to be done, but what options are available? Diplomatic intentions have so far been a massive failure, we only need to look at Africa as an example of that. Economic intentions, that is putting sanctions on corrupt governments, don't change things but instead hurt the people inside the governments who then are fueled the resentment towards the west. The only real solution is an outright internal revolution to happen, or outside force coming in and "liberating" the people.

Are the people of the Western World, prepared for that? If the last 10 years of history has shown anything the answer is a HELL NO.

"I suppose this burden is the social programs. The fact that it didn't work well in the US doesn't mean it won't elsewhere, which it already is. " Like where? These "social programs" that are in Europe are obliterating the European states. To the exception of maybe the Scandinavian countries, which themselves are sparsely populated, and are fairly neutral in global affairs, Europe is crumbling apart under it's own bloated social expenditures.
Britain is cutting social security benefits.
France is in revolt because the government had to cut wages.
Spain, Portugal and Greece are totally bankrupt, and are hanging on the thread extended by Germany.

I am not arguing these social programs on the face are bad. They aren't. But the way they were implemented, the sheer lack of oversight, control, and the inability to just say "NO, GO POUND SAND", has led these countries to go bankrupt. And I find it ironic that when these European socialist nations are cutting back on their government expenditure and becoming a lot more economically friendly in terms of capitalism, we as the US are doing the reverse.
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hel999 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
You make a very good point. It shows that some solutions can be worse than the problem when they don't consider all of its aspects.
If the children could only get payed those ten dollars per month for going to school... I think a program like this would be needed.
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DAPoliticalForum Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010  Professional General Artist
You make a point that very few people think about in their emotional rush to action.
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autumncyn Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
i really appreciate you from the bottom of my heart ....... ppl must see this ...... doesn't government take any action for such a crime ?
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Fr3akyFerrari Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2009
Damn! And I thought finishing my homework was child labour. Jeez, I feel like I got too much crap, living in U.S.A. Oh, by the way, what type of camera do you use?
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